Time to Wake Up

Romans 13:11 “Do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here.”

The Bible often uses slumber or sleep as a metaphor for unbelief. Other times “sleep” is a picture of death. I think it’s clear that Paul is writing this letter to members of a Christian church, so he assumes that they are spiritually awake by faith. And obviously he wouldn’t write a book of the Bible to dead people. “Slumber” has to refer to something else.

Sometimes we Christians let our faith become lukewarm. We have very little fire in our belly for loving our neighbor or reaching the lost. Our prayers lack fervency and grow fewer and farther between. We aren’t much concerned about getting to know God better. We still go to church or Bible study, but mostly as a matter of habit. We don’t feel a particular need or desire to be there. Seeing the church grow produces no particular joy. Its struggles arouse no sense of alarm. We could always go somewhere else, or do something else, on Sunday.

Our problem is distraction. We have become too concerned with purely earthly circumstances. We pour our energy into having the things we want, achieving the lifestyle and experiences we desire. Not all of them are bad, maybe not most of them. They are simply items on our bucket lists. We want to check to check them off before we die.

What if you never earn that degree for which you study, or land the job on which you set your heart? What if your career goes nowhere? What if you never find love or raise a family? What if you never build the house you planned to make your home, or your retirement doesn’t turn out the way you dreamed?

All of these things may occupy a legitimate part of our time and attention. They are good and wholesome in and of themselves. But if they leave no place for God; if they move into a place ahead of God, we need Paul’s words to confront us. “The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber.” Spiritually, we are asleep. That makes us useless for more important things.

At the present time, this presents two concerns: “our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here.” Many speak about “salvation” happening when we come to faith. Sometimes it refers to Jesus and his saving life and death. Simeon used the word this way when he took the baby Jesus in his arms: “…my eyes have seen your salvation which you have prepared in the sight of all people” (Luke 2:30-31).

In this passage, Paul uses salvation to refer to God’s final rescue. God brings salvation when he puts a final end to all his enemies and takes us away to heaven’s safety.

That is nearer every day. “The night is nearly over, the day is almost here.” Jesus could return at any time. Our lives in this world could end at any time. Our days here are limited. There are people I know personally whose salvation is doubtful at best. The clock is running out on our time to win them.

The second concern regards our own faith. Physically, I would like to die in my sleep–no long, painful struggle; just drift off to sleep and never wake up. Spiritually, that would be a catastrophe. What if our casual neglect of word and worship, prayer and service, love and witness slowly bled our faith dry until there wasn’t any left? What if we got to the point where we felt no twinge of guilt over our sins, no urge to fight temptation, no comfort in God’s grace, no relief in forgiveness? We need to understand the present time. We need to wake up now, before we lose what little faith we have.

Time to Acknowledge God’s Bounty

Genesis 32:10 “I had only my staff when I crossed the Jordan, but now I have become two groups.”

Sometimes, when life is painful or difficult, we are inclined to ask, “What did I do to deserve this?” The implication is that we deserve better, and we want God to treat us as we deserve. But that would be foolish request. God doesn’t treat us as we deserve. He treats us immeasurably better. He gives us salvation. Everything beyond that is extra.

That is true of the kinds of blessings that occupy our thoughts at Thanksgiving. As for Jacob, also for us, it is time to pause and acknowledge God’s bounty.

Jacob started with practically nothing when he left home. He had the clothes he was wearing. He had a staff in his hand, a simple piece of wood. That was it. Much less and he would have been naked.

I doubt whether most of us started with so little as Jacob did. When I left home to begin life on my own, I had a 1980 Chevy Citation hatchback. Everything I owned fit inside that car. Most of what I had consisted of clothes and a stereo system–more than Jacob, but not everything you need to set up housekeeping.

Our real start in this world, though, began with nothing more than our skin and what’s inside of it. As Job said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” This body itself is evidence of God’s bounty–by far the greatest physical gift he has ever given us.

Since he gave us our bodies and our lives, the Lord continues to give evidence of his kindness and faithfulness in the great bounty we enjoy. Jacob had become “two groups,” literally, “two camps.” You may remember that he was going to meet his brother Esau for the first time since he had deceived his father into giving him the blessing and birthright instead of Esau. In order to help protect his family, in case Esau was still mad, he split them and his possessions into the two groups or camps he mentions in his prayer. His wealth of people and herds was huge, even by modern standards. As a “gift” to pacify his brother, he sent him a little portion of his herds of animals: 50 cattle, 220 goats, 220 sheep, 30 camels and 30 donkeys. A ball park figure for the value of that gift in our time would be $150,000. That was the part Jacob gave away. It was certainly a good time for this man who left home with just the staff in his hand to stop and acknowledge God’s goodness to him.

Maybe we don’t feel like we have so much. It is true for some that their net value may be far below Jacob’s. But think of the things that you enjoy over the Thanksgiving holiday that Jacob never imagined experiencing in his wildest dreams. Some of you will travel in a vehicle that will cover as much ground in a single hour as Jacob could travel in 3 or 4 days. Most likely it is climate controlled: It will blow cold air on you when it is hot outside, and warm air on you when it is cold outside. For your entertainment it can play the sounds of a four-piece band, or even a 100-piece orchestra, while you travel. You can even switch back and forth between the band and the orchestra if you want.

Some of the foods you have eaten are probably not in season, but they taste as fresh as if they were. It may not even be possible to grow some of them within a thousand miles of where you live. You get to enjoy them anyway. Few if any of us is concerned about starving to death in the coming year as some of the Pilgrims did. The temperature in your home never varies more than a few degrees no matter what the time of year it is. The furniture on which you sit is cushioned and comfortable. You can watch twenty-two men on a field playing a game, but you sit in the comfort of your home, and those men are miles and miles away.

Do I need to go on? Cars and climate control and televisions and radios and refrigeration are just some of the things we take for granted, but they allow us a standard of living that Jacob could not buy with all his flocks and herds. Maybe America doesn’t have the highest standard of living in the world anymore (according to the United Nations, that honor has gone to one of the Scandinavian countries). But we still enjoy plenty, even if we are just scraping buy, even if we are paying the heating and cooling bills with a government check, and buying the turkey and stuffing with food stamps, and watching a TV that we found for free on Craig’s List because someone replaced it with a 4K ultra HD model and didn’t need it anymore.

God has still given us plenty. And in light of our bounty, let’s pause to acknowledge his kindness and faithfulness: “Oh, give thanks unto the Lord, for he is good, and his mercy endures forever.”

I Am Not Worthy

Genesis 32:9 “I am not worthy of all the kindness and faithfulness you have shown your servant.”

You can’t argue with Jacob’s view of his life. You know how he had behaved. Here was a man who tried to turn everything to serve himself. If ever there was a man who had lived under the theme, “It’s all about me,” that man was Jacob.

He had dealt dishonestly with his own brother and father to cheat his brother out of the rights of the firstborn. He ruptured his own family just to get what he wanted. When he started a family of his own, he adopted the heathen practice of polygamy. He created a family more dysfunctional than the family from which he had come. As much as his father-in-law Laban labored to take advantage of Jacob, Jacob was constantly scheming to take advantage of Laban. No matter whom he hurt, Jacob looked out for number one.

Living a life that tries to turn the whole world into a device to serve ourselves, using other people for our own advantage is not a lifestyle that began or ended with Jacob. From the time we get up in the morning to the time we go to bed at night, we are involved in the game of trying to bend everything in life to serve me, of trying to line everyone and everything up in the way that makes me happy.

I have little experience in the world of business. I have gotten a little taste of it, perhaps, the three times that I have bought or sold a home. With a little advice from your realtor, you try to make the defects in the home you are selling appear as small as possible. You are ever wary of the possible pitfalls in a home you are considering to buy, things that seller tried to hide from you. The mortgage company hires an assessor to protect itself from losing money if you default. Everyone is trying to get something from someone else. At times it seems like no one is your friend. And in the process, you get sucked into the game of looking out for your own best interests, because no one else is going to. It’s how “business” works. Jacob would have felt right at home in the process.

This isn’t limited to real estate, or even business. We import it into our families and friendships. People who should work together end up acting like competitors. We aren’t so interested in serving and protecting the people closest to us. We want what’s “fair” for me. And what’s “fair” for me isn’t based on some objective formula. It is what involves the least work and the most gain. Even my love for family or friends can be based on “what’s in it for me.” We deserve no better than Jacob, neither in this life nor the one to come. Like him we can pray, “I am unworthy of all the kindness and faithfulness you have shown your servant.”

How has God responded in light of our unworthiness? As Jacob says, with “kindness and faithfulness.” We are still here, aren’t we? How does the author of Psalm 103 say it? “The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love. He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever; he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.”

The God of our fathers, who gave us this country, and has made us prosper, showed the ultimate kindness by giving up his only-begotten Son and making him a sacrifice for our sins. He doesn’t treat us as our sins deserve, nor repay us according to our iniquities, because in Jesus Christ he has completely erased them from our records. Of all the kindnesses he has ever shown, none is greater than this: that he has removed our transgressions and declared us innocent of our sins.

In doing so he has made sure that there is a far better country waiting for us than any that Jacob ever knew, or we have ever known. In doing so he has been faithful to the promises he has been making to his people for thousands of years. His kindness and faithfulness have provided far more than we ever could have prepared for ourselves. They will continue to do so.

Sober Self-Regard

Romans 12:3 “For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.”

If there is a sin that sits at the heart and center of all that sin is; if there is a sin that is the source of all others, it is the sin Paul identifies here: “Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought.” Pride, arrogance: look at the dangerous things that follow from this attitude. When we think too highly of ourselves we aren’t properly concerned with what God says. We find ourselves believing, embracing, and doing the wrong things because we think we know more than he does.

How many Bible stories aren’t basically God telling his people, “Don’t touch this. You’ll get burned.” And in their pride his people decide, “Nah. It’s okay. I’ll be alright.” And they get burned. Adam and Eve. Moses and Pharaoh and the 10 plagues. David and Bathsheba. Israel’s whole history of dabbling in idolatry.

When we think too highly of ourselves, we aren’t properly concerned with our neighbor. Is there anyone you less want to be around than a person who thinks he’s better than you? What’s a prideful person good for? They are only in to serving themselves. They don’t take advice. How is any of this compatible with the life Paul urges on us, one that looks at God’s mercy and responds accordingly?

So he urges us instead: “…rather think of yourself with sober judgment.” Thinking about ourselves in a sober way involves remembering three things. First, we are people that God has made, and he made us with real gifts and talents. Each of us has wonderful abilities, sometimes very unique ones. It is not sinfully arrogant to acknowledge that. It’s sober thinking.

Second, we are all a moral mess. None of us have anything to be proud of when it comes to keeping God’s commands and loving our neighbor. We aren’t worse than anyone else, but we certainly aren’t better, either. Honesty requires us to admit this.

And third, in view of God’s mercy, we are children he has redeemed and forgiven. We ought to repent of our sin. We don’t need to wallow in never-ending self-loathing and despair over it. The sooner we embrace this truth, the sooner our lives will line up with the faith God has given us.

Exchanging pride for a more realistic self-regard isn’t a loss to our value or dignity. It roots our identity in God’s grace and sets us free from the constant need to prove something. He has already made you far more than anything you would have imagined for yourself.

Christian Nonconformists

Romans 12:2 “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.”

Paul asks us to be Christian nonconformists. That is trickier than we might realize. The world has many patterns and standards to which we might conform. Some are obvious, some more subtle. The world has a pattern of speech that gives full vent to its anger and lets the obscenities fly. I get angry and passionate about things, too. But my Lord tells me, “Do not let any unwholesome speech come out of your mouths.” “Do not repay insult with insult.” Even, “If you are insulted, you are blessed.” The world has a pattern for romantic relationships that suggests as long as two people consent, and they are using protection, things like marriage or gender don’t matter. Do what feels good. But my Lord has given me a pattern in which the marriage bed is to be kept pure, and it is for this reason that God made them male and female.

A little less obvious, the world has a pattern we might call, “More for me.” The house is never big enough. The car is never new enough. The closet is never full enough. The trips have never taken me far enough. The kids have not participated in enough. But my Lord’s pattern is, “If we have food and clothing, we will be content with this.” And, “Have something to share with those in need.”

Even more subtle, the world has a pattern that convinces me, “The smarter, the better.” The greater a person’s intelligence, the more they know, the greater their worth. My Lord even tells me that he gives knowledge and wisdom as a gift. But he also warns that knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. And his truths often remain hidden to the wise and learned while little children are able to understand them perfectly.

We could keep building the list, laying out the competing patterns. This conformity is hard to resist. The world bullies, tempts, lures, deceives, eases, and scares until it has shaped us just the way it wants.

To remain nonconforming Paul says we need to be “transformed by the renewing of your mind.” Notice this is less about being educated. It is not enough to be given a to-do list. It is more about being changed, becoming different people, getting a mind that thinks and works a different way. If we were talking about a diet, I don’t just need a list of foods I shouldn’t eat. I need change of tastes that finds those foods repulsive. To remain nonconforming to this world I need my Lord to give me a new heart and a new mind that no longer wants the pattern the world offers.

That, again, is where “in view of God’s mercy” comes in. God’s love changes me. My wife has told me she loves me. She has showed me she loves me. And over time that has made me quite a different person. It has shaped my habits. I used to leave the Sunday paper scattered over the living room on Sunday afternoon. She let me know early on she found this annoying. It didn’t change right away. Today I gather it up and put it away when I’m done (most of the time), not just because it’s a thing I’m supposed to do. It’s a thing I want to do, for her.

God’s mercy does something similar for us. When Jesus’ love at the cross is in view; when we see him dying for our sins; when we hear him forgiving our sins; when he trades us his righteousness for our selfishness; when he makes eternal life and heaven our own; when he presents it all to us as his gift and gives it all away for free; then the Christian life isn’t just a list of demands I’m supposed to do. It’s a life I want to do, for him. With his mercy in view, his love transforms us so that our lives no longer conform to the world in which we live.

Living Sacrifices

Romans 12:1 “Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God–this is your spiritual act of worship.”

For the better part of three chapters, Paul’s letter to the Romans digs deeply into the utter lostness of humankind. No one, from open sinners to deeply religious moralists, escapes his diagnosis–utterly lost.

Then comes the surprising grace of God. He gives his not guilty verdict as a gift. He sacrificed his own Son to satisfy the demands of justice. All sin is forgiven. All people are welcome. He is continuing the grace and forgiveness he showed to Abraham and David. It gives meaning to our suffering, freedom from the control of sin, power to our struggle with it, optimism and confidence in God’s love no matter how dark the days become. Our Lord chose to save us and make us his own purely out of his own mercy and compassion, and everyone he has chosen will be saved.

Can you look at all this, Paul concludes after 11 chapters, can you believe all this and not be changed? Isn’t this a call, even more, the inspiration to live our lives differently?

No reasonable Christian would deny that God deserves our worship in response to all the grace and mercy he has shown us. But what does that worship look like? An hour or two of songs and prayers on Sunday morning? Prayers before we eat or go to bed and a daily devotional?

How about every waking and sleeping moment for the rest of your life? You’ve probably never seen an animal sacrifice. I haven’t. But you know what they were about. The lamb or goat or calf was presented to the priest. He slit its throat. The animal bled to death. The hide was removed. The carcass was dressed. The priests slung the body up on the altar. Sometimes they burned the whole thing to ashes. Sometimes some of the meat was used to feed the priests and the worshipers. But for the sacrificial victim this was never temporary, or partial. It was permanent and required their entire lives.

The God of the Bible is a God who calls for human sacrifice, Paul reveals–but not for human deaths. “Living sacrifices,” he calls us. It’s still permanent. It’s still the whole life. But he wants the whole body for unending service, not a death that serves no one. What does this look like?

It does not mean that you all need to enroll in the seminary and become pastors, teachers and missionaries. If you have gifts and interests for that sort of thing, that is wonderful. Serve God that way. But church work is not necessary to offer your body as a living sacrifice.

Martin Luther once commented, “The Christian cobbler isn’t a Christian cobbler because he sews little crosses on the shoes he makes. He serves as a Christian cobbler by making good shoes.” Each pair is a service to God because he gives his neighbor the best he can make.

The Christian student isn’t a living sacrifice to God because he tries to use every class discussion as an opportunity to slip in some reference to Jesus and the gospel. No, he is a living sacrifice when he respects the teacher, and does his work faithfully, and gets the best grades he can because school is preparing him to do things that contribute to society.

The Christian doctor doesn’t make himself a living sacrifice by praying with every patient at every exam, or becoming a medical missionary, though both may be a fine thing to do. He is a living sacrifice when he takes every exam and every surgery seriously and does the best he can to keep his patients in good health.

The Christian who is sleeping isn’t a living sacrifice because every dream is about a Bible story. No, he is a living sacrifice because sleep is one way he takes care of the body God has given him, and it makes him strong and alert for whatever God has given him to do during his waking hours. You get the idea. Sacrificial living isn’t necessarily about pain. In some cases it could be. It is a picture of an entire life lived in view of God’s mercy.

Perfection Promised

1 John 3:2 “Dear friends, now we are the children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”

There are question marks about our future. But they are not because we suffer any uncertainty that we will have one, or that it will be wonderful. There are those who have no such confidence. In some faiths, people live with no certainty of the life to come. In Islam, even the imams say that no one can be certain. A clever Christian once spoke to a Muslim friend about this. “You have life insurance for your family?” he asked his friend. “Yes, I do,” his friend replied. “You pay all your premiums?” “Of course I do.” You are sure that if you die the insurance company is going to pay?” “I have no reason to doubt it.” “So here you are, putting all this time and effort into your religion, and you aren’t sure if it will ‘pay’ in the end. It sounds to me like your insurance company is more reliable than your god!”

We are already the children of God, now. Heavenly perfection is the next thing waiting for us. But what does “perfection” look like? I have never seen it. We tend to redefine it. Do you know what it means in baseball that a pitcher pitches a perfect game? It means that after nine innings, a complete game, not one member of the other team reached first base safely. In the history of the sport, 140 years, there have been 23 “perfect games” pitched. But it doesn’t mean the pitcher pitched all strikes. It doesn’t mean that no batter ever made contact with the ball. That level of perfection has never been reached.

What would perfect behavior look like, coming from a perfect heart? It’s easy to identify some things as sins. We can easily exclude the big and obvious ones, as the Bible itself often does in describing heaven. But what would it look like to live completely untainted by any selfish thought, any loveless moment?

What would it look like to enjoy perfect health? Of course there would be no sickness, pain, or injury. But what would it be like to have a body perfectly nourished, perfectly rested, perfectly exercised, perfectly breathing, digesting, circulating, thinking? I believe that God doesn’t give us more details about the life to come because there is nothing to which to compare it in all our experience. It would be like trying to explain calculus and trigonometry to an earthworm.

But he gives us this hint: “…we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.” Now we are called the children of God. And if that is what God calls us, then that is what we are.

But a day is coming when we will be completely transformed. We won’t be God. But we shall be so like him that it is the best way to try to describe our future. There is nothing on earth to compare our future existence. There is one thing in heaven to which to compare it, and that is God himself. He is the picture of the perfection he promises will be ours.

Lavish Love

1 John 3:1“How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called the children of God! And that is what we are!”

I’m over 50 years old now. Do I still want to be called a child? Doesn’t that suggest naive, immature, even incompetent? Maybe you are familiar with children’s author Mercer Mayer. He created the character “Little Critter.” One of my favorite books is titled “All by Myself.” From the moment he gets out of bed and gets dressed, to the time that he puts on his pajamas and brushes his teeth, Little Critter brags about all the things he can do “all by myself.”

Isn’t that how we think, even when we are children? I want to be big. I want to be grown-up. I want out from underneath my parents’ shadow. Don’t call me those cutesy pet names. A car commercial depicts a middle-school girl telling her dad, “You don’t have to drop me off in front of school. You can drop me off right here.” “What’s the matter? Don’t want to be seen with your dad in front of your friends?” Some days, that’s how it is with our Father. Instead of smart, sophisticated, respectable men or women of the world we are the “children of God.” Yuck.

But your Father loves you too much to let that change things. He is fully committed to this relationship. He will patiently call us to repentance 10,000 times if that is what it takes. He did not sacrifice his Son for nothing, and the blood of Jesus in the water of your baptism is less like the bath or shower you take once at the start of your day. It is more like you and I are fish, and we swim around in the grace and forgiveness coming from the cross every moment of every day for the rest of our lives. As the children of God, it is the air we breathe, the environment in which we live. See your Father’s lavish love?

Being called by the Father, “My child,” is better than being smart, or respected, or talented, or self-sufficient. It means you are treasured. Sometimes people, even Christians, have gotten the idea that the key word in this relationship is obedience. And certainly it serves children to learn to be obedient. But not because they were brought into this family to provide cheap labor.

Your Father only wants to keep you from harm. The key word here still is love, because you are his child.  He fully intends to protect you, feed you, clothe you, and do whatever else is necessary to take care of you. He claimed you and redeemed you because he wants to enjoy you as his very own.

There is a passage in the last chapter of Isaiah that pictures God like a mom bouncing her precious baby on her knee, maybe singing some silly song or playing patti-cake or some other childhood game, it doesn’t matter. It is about the affection and the joy of being together. You are that child, and you can see your Father’s lavish love in what you are.

Children of God

1 John 3:1“How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called the children of God! And that is what we are!”

 I am the child of John and Mary Elin. My wife is the child of Glen and Mary. My children are the children of…well, you know. Our parents loved us. Of that I am certain. Ordinarily a parent’s love means you would do almost anything for your children. I once heard a missionary couple talk about their work in Indonesia. They once risked their lives and more to get their children out of the country when radical Islamists were attacking Christians and fire-bombing churches. “You will do almost anything to save your children,” they said. But that my children should be called my children? That doesn’t seem like an extraordinary statement of love. That seems like an ordinary fact.

That we are called the children of God is an example of his lavish love. We don’t deserve it. We weren’t born to him in a physical way. I know that there is a sense in which all people are God’s children because he is the Maker of all things. But John doesn’t have in mind so much our source as he does our relationship. We are no longer born into that relationship with him.

Remember Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus about the need to be born again? It’s more like God claims us and calls us his children by adoption. And we weren’t likely candidates for such a privilege.

When human parents adopt, from time to time one hears that the parents have given the child back. It turns out that the child had some congenital disease or condition they weren’t counting on. Or maybe the little one was born to drug addicts, and it becomes clear that there are going to be some behavioral issues. Mr. and Mrs. Potential Parents of the Year had dreams of the perfect little person in their perfect little family. That dream turns into a nightmare of far more expense, or far more work and heartache, than they counted on. So terrible as it might seem, they give the baby back.

Do you suppose that we have given our heavenly Father any less reason to cancel the adoption? You know the cost. He paid the life of the only natural-born Son in the family. Jesus paid with his blood so that we could be called the children of God.

You know the issues with behavior in the family, because you and I are one of them. We are rebels from the start. We know that our Father is watching us all the time. Still, we choose to disregard his rules.

At my wife’s restaurant they have multiple cameras trained on the employees at all times. Still, they choose to break the rules, or pick at each other, or stand around doing nothing. Of course someone has to take the time to watch the video for them to get caught.

Our Father never takes his eyes off of us. He sees the garbage on the computer screen. He hears the curses we mutter under our breath. He is a witness to our lies and hypocrisies. Whatever it is you do, he knows. And he knows that he will be fighting our behavioral issues until the day we die. There is no brilliant child-psychologist who is going to counsel us out of our sin. It’s not as though we grow up and move out of the house someday to give him some relief.

Despite all this, he claims us for all eternity. We are his children, little as we deserve to have such a distinction.